thank you so much for joining us on this monday, and please join rachel maddow, joy reid, and steve kornacki and me in two hours. for now, it's time for "the beat" with ari melber.

>> seems like you're making a fashion statement. >> it says vote, doesn't say who. >> if you get me that item i'll find a civic way to rock it. >> nobody rocks it like. >> you see you tonight. nicole and i will be out there with the rest of the team. it is election eve here on "the beat" as well. campaign guru james carville kicking off the show. we have the music. you hear that. we have the legend. always dressed for television. see you in a second. and we have the final numbers heading into the election day. democrats are catching up with republicans in enthusiasm. that's from the nbc poll. the fact is, 2 '22 midterms now have surging turnout. in the last midterms the energized 2018 on trump there

was a record turnout of 38 million votes. that is now topped by this final re-election set of numbers. over 42 million people already voting. 38 million was the record work 4 million more. the new record is 42 million. that is more "m"s, to quote the new drake album. candidates are hoping surges will help them avoid losses. as 21 savage says, when you're making less "l"s you're making more "m"s. tonight the president is hitting maryland where they're trying to build on the early surge. democrats eyeing the governor's mansion there. meanwhile in ohio, donald trump campaigning if for his one-time critic turned apparent supporter, j.d. vance running for senate. all this action comes after three different presidents, current and past, showed up in pennsylvania, another state that could decide the senate. candidates meanwhile pitching their closing arguments.

>> truth and facts. and logic. and reason. and basic decency are on the ballot. >> john fetterman can't work with other people. he doesn't even like the moderates in his own party. >> i can't stop doug mastriano from continuing to lie. >> the biggest issue is women's rights. with all that happened with the supreme court, it's important to me women can choose what happens with their own body. >> i'm hating all the lies from the republicans. i'm hating the vitriol from the republicans. >> i want to see unity in our country. i want to see unity in both parties. >> election eve with the ultimate guest to kick us off, democratic strategist james carville. welcome back. >> thank you, ari. good to be back. the capitol in the background just like old days. 1997 all over again. >> you don't spend any more time

in the beltway than you have to. usually you have other backgrounds. what do you see out there? i showed some of the numbers. we're going to get into a lot tonight. first big picture, what are you bracing for tomorrow? >> i see big numbers. i hope that the fewer people that look like me are voting and more females and more people under 35 are voting. there's some reason to think that might be true. harvard does this youth study and shows abnormally high interest among younger people. if that translates into votes tomorrow, i would be more optimistic. if we see normal election might be 52.3% female, if it's 55.1, that will help. as we say in campaign world, the hay's in the barn now. they're coming out tomorrow in big versions. and we need something to start this turn youth to do okay, and we may get it. just hope for the best. >> you said the hay is in the barn? >> it's just an expression. >> i don't want to reveal myself as born in seat and bred in

brooklyn, but you're going to have to break that down for me. >> just mean once the hay's in the barn, the job is over. it didn't rain. it's all done, and we can look at another thing. it's not that complicated. >> no, it's not. i love it. >> the work is done. >> well, i don't know where to take it with the barn, but i will tell you this -- barack obama campaigns as only he can. he still seems to strike a chord the way others don't. he took this really partisan hatred, the right wing attempt to demonize and villainize joe biden after people like lindsey graham said, this is one of the best people you could work with. obama found a way to reconnect in his closing argument. what does it tell you about how much they care about solving your problems or inflation if that's their agenda? here's obama. >> some of them said, we're going to impeach biden. they're not quite sure why.

or what for, but that's the -- that's irrelevant to them. think about that. how is that going to help you, your family? that's the choice in this election. between politicians to who are willing to do anything, say anything to get in power and those who share your values and make you want to make your lives better. >> your view on the democrats' closing arguments there. >> president obama the only presidential candidate since eisenhower to get over 50% twice. i would have closed a little different. i would have said, the republicans have told you what they're going to do if they get elected. they're going to shut the government down to force cuts in social security and medicare. you heard me correctly. kevin mccarthy has said that, ted bunt said that, ron johnson said that. do you think an economic message

when you're suffering an anne fixed income, or your parent os grandparents, that you're not going to get your cola and they're going to cut your social security and medicare? that's what we should be closing on. that's what they say they're going to do. they're not going to be able to impeach biden. they will try to shut the government down to force this and have always tried to force that, and we need to close it out. i just want to get that social security medicare close to government, which is a trifecta of unpopular ideas. we have to understand that. these are three of the most unpopular ideas in american politics -- shutting the government down, cutting social security, and cutting medicare. >> to be clear, obama and biden and others have hit on that. trying to get on the straightforward stuff, the democracy threat is real, and yet as you know you want to

connect people on what's relevant to them day-to-day. go ahead. >> right, and but we don't say -- president biden has said that, and president obama said that. you don't say anything in politics until you say it 500 times. how many crime spots have they won? how much time do they spend on fox with an issue that we should be ahead of by the way, crime, we have a much better record, but i can't litigate that the day before the election. my point is we're going to have to learn, you have to keep saying it and saying and it saying it to the exclusion of everything else. i don't have a problem with a thing president biden said president obama. they know what's at stake here, but i'm afraid that there are more voters going, democrats are going to defund the police, which is demonstratively not true, than believe that the republicans will shut the government down to force cuts social security and medicare, which is true. it is true, all right? but this is -- i can't change

that right now, but i will say that these numbers do give me some hope that this thing might go better than a lot of people are saying. >> interesting. i'm going to do -- with your blessing i'm going to do state by state early vote. we'll get into exactly what you're saying there. you mentioned the importance of repetition. i don't know if you listen to the talking heads, david byrne. he said, say something once, why say it again? in politics you're telling us the opposite. republicans say it 500 times to drill it in. we've seen the crime message come in. it was critical race theory in the off year in virginia. now it's a lot of the crime message. here's what bill clinton, who you worked for, said about that. >> lee zeldin, he makes it sound like kathy hochul gets up every morning, goes to the nearest subway stop and hands out billy clubs and baseball bats. but what are the republicans

really saying? i want you to be scared. and i want you to be mad. and the that's thing i want you to do is think. >> is the crime message, which is being responded to by the former president because it's obviously broken through to some degree, is that something where republicans found something visceral and local to run on? >> close to my heart, ari. in the spring of 2021 i wrote a piece in "the wall street journal" that the democrats better run on this issue. i was told, we can't do that. i was told the foundations would go berserk. >> foundations like -- >> the ford foundations. let's be clear. let's name names. then i know two friends of mine who are high of end political people. one went to the vice president

harris people said, you need to run on this. we can't do that. the other went to a senate retreat east of maryland, and they said, we can't do that. why can't we? by the way, president clinton and joe biden authored the most successful crime fighting legislation in history, the crime bill oaf 1994. was it -- yes, because senator casey put that in. but did the crime rate drop between 1994 and 2019? yes, and it only came back in the last year of the trump presidency. red states -- cities like bakersfield and jacksonville are significantly higher than in a democratic city like san francisco. we have not told people that because the ford foundation blocks our messaging. >> i appreciate the candor. this is what -- some guests i have to push them to get there. with you it come right with it.

>> by the way, the ford foundation, if they want to come on, i'll hear their side of it. i always keep the door open. i appreciate you being -- you're lifting the lid on how these elite conversations go. you have all these groups, money, pressure. you have to i figure out what's the right thing. we have had a lot of people on this program talking at how you could have humane public safety reform and criminal justice reform. let me show one more. i'm going keep you here, but let me show you real quick the democracy side i mentioned. here was obama on that. >> when -- goes away, people get hurt, it has really consequences. it's not an abstraction. governments start telling you what books you can read and which ones you can't. dissidents start getting locked up. getting locked up if they're not toeing the party line.

corruption reigns because there's no accountability. >> where does that figure into the closing argument and -- this is a quasi political/quasi civic question, james. where does it fit into how you're going to be watching the results tomorrow when you have more candidates than ever publicly running on the idea they may not accept the results? >> of course we're going to be looking at things we don't normally look at in the past -- secretary of state races, state supreme court races. it's very frightening. there's only one hope for democracy in the united states, and i'm serious, and that is the democratic party. i admit i'm a member of that party. i admit it's kind of constipated, cumbersome, but that's it. it's frighten to think. i'm 78 years old. i have been a member since i can remember. and there's only one thing between us and to talltarianism. but you know what? it's true. if you want to save democracy,

there's one thing you can do -- vote democratic. sometimes you're going to have to hold your nose. you're not going to like the messages. sometimes you're not going to like this, but you have got to do that. the republicans don't even talk about saving democracy. literally they say -- we're going to win the 2020 cause i won't count the votes. that's just a fact. i'm sorry. >> as you say, that's the thuggish nature of it. i use that word deliberately. there are autocrats around the world who lead in a thuggish manner. those who do the autocratic pitch and say, we're going to do this -- what you just said. we're going to be in charge of counting so it will be a putin style election. they have "claimed elections" in russia, but they control it all. i have our shortest break, james, which is 60 seconds. i'm going pay off the promise i made. i know your favorite politician said a promise made is a promise kept.

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this is 2018 when republican had higher turnout in ohio. democrats now have a higher turnout by five points. go to georgia, which has seen its share of excitement and shifts. four year ago, republicans were leading in the early turnout by five points. now democrats leading there in the early turn crowd by awhopping eight plus points. now, let me be very clear. this does not tell you who will win. typically the majority of votes are cast on election day, which is tomorrow. but it does offer a trend line -- democrat getting excited about turnout in big states. then there's a search for republicans in florida in 2018. they led in early votes by two points. now doing better, leading by seven. finally, wisconsin, a key state that trump won in 2016. republicans led by ten points in early voting in '18. right now wisconsin democrats lead early voting by three points based on these target smart numbers. james carville is back with us. as you know, james, people love

polls. they love that generic ballot poll. with all due respect, ain't no generic ballot election. you can poll it and talk about it. in three of the four states have key turnout. you're on the record. we'll check back whether you're right or not, but what does that say to you tonight? >> i'm on the different end a that. >> you're in the barn. >> yeah, i'm in the barn. those numbers are impressive. i don't know what they mean, but gee, i looked at them going, that big of a turn around? what it means tough ask charlie or david, but i think it means something. i hope it means something good. i hope it means young people and female are voting. >> you're not a quantity in the way the chief of staff or sometimes the cia director doesn't create the intelligence.

they receive the intelligence. but when you are a top flight strategist as you have been, you'd get all the numbers coming in. obviously if you're a democrat at a certain level, this is better than the alternative, better to start counting up a lead than not. but do you have any way to know -- are the people just voting differently now that early voting has become more normalized? >> honestly, ari, i don't know. peter hart, a sage man told me early in my career -- i asked him, who do you think is going to win based on the poll? he said, my job is not to predict elections it's to affect elections. i took that to heart. they've got 20 people in the prediction industry. i'm telling people, they're going to shut the government down to cut social security and medicare. you better go out and vote. they told you they would ban abortion. you didn't believe them. they did. you better pay attention. so i'm going to be swinging to affect this vote, to get people out to vote right till the last

minute. i don't know what these mean, but they can't mean anything bad. >> not bad. let's take it to georgia where those issues are on the table. you talk about what it means to have women's rights or -- in georgia, at the center of the trump criminal probe on some people's mind there is. then you have herschel walker, early vote democrats are surging in the early vote. herschel has a marie antoinette hypocrisy going here. he wants to control your life -- i say this as a policy analysis. i say this as a fact. his policy is he gets to do things you don't. he will make medical decisions through the law for you, your family, your doctor, and then he'll do whatever the heck he wants any way. is that hurting him in georgia are democrats seem to be surging? >> i'm a proud fan of s.e.c.

football. herschel walker and tommy tubberville are an embarrassment to the southeastern conference. there's something wrong with that guy. no one can be that duplicitous. he needs to have a brain scan or something. that's just -- he's not right. that boy -- he's just not right, okay? >> all right. my final question for you, james, and this is the last one. you have been generous with your time on a big night. >> sure. >> how will you be watching tomorrow night? i will tell you one of the biggest mistakes you see in the press sometimes is rushing, shing, rushing. let's get the facts and see where they land. how will you be watching the numbers as they come in? >> i'll actually be on msnbc -- >> i heard about that. >> i pay attention to steve kornacki. i love steve, because i love -- i'll ask him about flight line tomorrow. but at any rate, i'm going to look at maine, too. i'm going look at virginia two,

virginia seven early. should be getting stuff over the transom in north carolina. i think we're going to know the direction of this election by 10:30 eastern. if the senate is 50/50, we could -- it might take a week, but we will know -- we'll have a good idea, and i'm going to wait for brother kornacki, because whatever he says for me to think, that's what i'm going think on election night. >> you know the saying about brother kornacki on election night, everybody says in these halls, he doesn't count the hey until it's all in the barn. >> i'm going get you a rule one day, i guarantee up. you. >> james, we will see you tomorrow night. we'll keep an eye on things we discussed. appreciate your time. one of the best in the business. >> appreciate you, ari. always good being on. >> appreciate the ragin' cajun. before the hour's through, the nanny, fran drescher is here as we look at how celebrities

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democrats added to warnings about democracy and women's rights with a separate warning about social security and medicare. >> they're literally coming after social security and medicare. >> inflation is a real problem right now. who's actually going to do something about it? the republicans who want to gut social security and medicare while giving more tax cuts to the wealthiest among us? more tax cuts to big corporations? i don't think that's going to help you. >> now, among republicans there's a split. mitch mcconnell has been downplaying details about cutting benefits or even the possibility. some in the party, though, say these programs are, they argue, doomed any way, and are willing to run on what they call reform. >> in my plan i said we have got to start being honest with the public that's what's our plan? medicare is going bankrupt. social security is going bankrupt. >> just declaring a government program will go bankrupt isn't a

plan. the government chooses what to fund, whether it's war, health care, tax cuts. part of the plan from rick scott you just heard there is to hold extra renewables to make them vulnerable to budget cuts. what is the economic outlook? which plans can combat inflation or protect benefits? and is it necessary to look at the policy on election eve? well, we want to bring in one of america's most celebrated economists, winner and best selling author paul krugman. imagine, that professor. we'll talk about the facts, not just the punditry tonight. how you doing? >> okay. >> okay. >> like everybody else, but yeah, okay. >> let's start with something that really the obama event started injecting, and i mention in fairness there's back and

forth among republicans, but do you view, among other things, tomorrow as a vote that could determine the future of social security and medicare, something you recently wrote about? >> yeah, i mean, this is not hypothetical. let's remember that we came within a whisker of seeing the age of medicare eligibility raised by two years as part of a bargain obama himself reached with republicans in return for them not crashing the world financial system by refusing to raise the u.s. government debt limit. that didn't happen because republicans were unwilling to accept any tax increase as part of their part of the deal. so this has been a consistent thing. you now say it's a back and forth. i think that we have to say that this is deep in the dna of the modern republican party. they want to cut social security and medicare. it's strange they're so determined, but that always comes up at every opportunity. so you have to assume that if they have enough leverage, they win enough seats they'll try and do it again.

>> okay. let's turn to rising prices and inflation, something that everybody's dealing with, here and in other countries. your answer to why in the main this is happening in america, and when republicans say reducing government steppeding or their other preexisting policies will naturally bring down prices, your analysis of that as people do decide what to do tomorrow. >> it is really important to understand that a large part of the inflation that we're seeing is not a u.s. thing. inflation is actually slightly higher in europe than it is in the united states. now, there are special reasons. they're more dependent on russian natural gas. or were more dependent. the part that hurts, price increases running ahead of wages are determined by global energy prices, things outside any

president. it's largely a global issue, but sure, some of it -- the u.s. -- we can talk about errors. maybe there was excessive stimulus. the federal reserve, which is not the biden administration, it's an independent policymaker, got behind the curve, as did i. a lot of us didn't see this coming. but the thing is, i actually look at the inflation issue and say, the policies to bring it back down are in place. and it has very little to do now with congress or the president. it's the federal reserve. it's those interest rate hikes are already taking a toll. a lot of measures underlying inflation are coming down already. so this really shouldn't be -- it will, but but shouldn't be a campaign issue. if inflation is going to be controlled it's going to be jay powell at the federal reserve to does it, not congress or the president. >> >> your view is some of the domestic spending may have contributed partly to it, but it's not the driving factor and that's done or baked in?

>> inflation might be as much as 2 percentage points lower if we had less government spending. there would have been a lot of other negative consequences we wouldn't have liked if we hadn't spent so much money, but -- also, you don't have to fill a tire through a hole. the fact that what were good reasons at the time, the fact that that caused inflation to rise, that doesn't mean slashing spending -- that happened in the past. it's in the rear-view mirror. doesn't mean further cuts are what you have to do to control inflation. it's a technicratic problem. it's not going to be decided by political slogans. >> the way this works under

government law -- it's not easily changeable -- the lever is not in the room where the congress people are, so to speak. you also said, what, fill a tire through a hole? >> yeah, if you have a flat tire -- >> teaching me new terms. go ahead. >> if you have a flat tire, you don't refill it by pushing air back where it came in. the fact that arguably am of our inflation is a result of the american rescue plan, which was a big package of goth spending in early 2021 -- it's a year and a half in the past. the fact that that might have contributed to it doesn't mean big government is a solution. there are lots of other things we can do and are doing. >> you're known as an award winning economist. you also happen to be superinterested in politics. do you view tomorrow as likely one of these economic elections, which happen every so often when we have returmoil or recession? and no matter what seems to

happen in the messaging, those fundamentals emerge, you can pick years like that? do you not see that, or you don't know? >> i have no idea. i have been -- i'm trying not to obsess over the polling and stuff like that, because the truth of the matter is we really don't know what's going to happen. and it's not productive. i'm with carville on that. the important thing is to try and make the world move in the direction you want, not to try and obsess over predictions that are -- what's going to happen is going to happen, and not a good use of your time or mine. >> yeah. well, it's striking, you are decorated for your brilliance and intellectually humble. paul krugman, always a great chat. appreciate him on the big night. coming up, obama on the turnout. two big guests getting into why this year is different. and the doj is stepping in

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lately we have been hearing a lot about how any given election are different from

usual, and that's true in a variety of ways. sadly because of the increased violent threats and menacing that have been documented. now the feds are expanding lye monitoring of polling places with that rising set of threats, including specific threats identified against election officials. doj is going to roll out this plan in 24 state testimonies idea is to ensure compliance with voting rights law. missouri is one of the states we're seeing republicans spar with the feds. they're trying to block them. they say this would bully local election workers. the move by the doj comes amid the safety concerns and threats and intelligence law enforcement amgss are on top of it. one doj official tells nbc they're as prepared as they can be, but others are on edge. arizona officials faced 140 threats this summer alone. that absolutes emails and direct threats about killing people who are doing the nonpartisan work

of helping administer elections. here's one colorado election official in a new interview. >> i have had some incidences in the past where people followed me back to my neighborhood. >> you were followed. >> that prompted know start talking with the sheriff about, you know, personal safety. he recommended that i wear a ballistic vest whenever i feel necessary. i wear one pretty much every single day. >> wearing body armor every day. this is a violent time in our politics and a time where there's great access to weapons. we're seeing poll watchers in arizona. here's the rnc chair speaking about this when pressed on the fact that there are lawful ways people can show up places, but some of this is going right up the line to illegal intimidation. >> what's your message to people intimidating voters? >> nobody should be intimidating or breaking the law. nobody should. but poll watching is not

intimidating. if you have been at a poll place, you see they're simply observing, and it help us at the end give assurance to the voters say, listen, we were there, we watched it, it went well. >> having people watch the polls affiliated with all the parties involved and independent observers is, as she alluded to, part of what adds to public confidence. but there is no reason you would need to brandish a weapon to do that kind of oversight. indeed, given our nation's history and crackdowns against voting rights, it runs in the opposite direction. we're also tracking lawsuits. democratic party official mark elias is reporting -- has a report on this, and these are the numbers. 127 election related lawsuits -- that's double the number from just 2020, which is a busy and lit images year. there's also a win today for democrats in georgia where there's been an extension of the

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i'm here to tell you, pittsburgh, that tuning out's not an option. sulking and moping, that's not an option. the good news is, you have the power in your hands to steer this country in a better direction. but it only happens if you vote. it only happens if you participate. >> only happens if you vote. barack obama trying to get people excited. seven key senate races are deadlocked. candidates in both parties say it will come down to that participation. >> we're going to need every one of you to vote. >> tell ten of your friends to get out and vote. if you ain't got no friends, make some friends. >> we want people to stay in

line if there are lines and vote their conscious. >> november 8th the last opportunity people have to have their voices heard, so it's really, really geared toward turnout. >> get off your couch and do what? >> vote! >> put down your phones and do what? >> vote! >> pet down your votes. we're joined by actor, comedian and activist fran drescher. she's also part of the actors labor union. we're also joined by member of the nfl players' association. these two unions teaming up for what they call actors and athletes, unionsleads. protecting your voice, your vote, promoting voter registration on a civic basis, which we love. welcome to both of you. how are you doing? >> good. thank you, doing well. nice to see you, ari. hi, antoine. how are you sph. >> i'm doing well, and yourself. thank you for having me. >> absolutely. fran, tell us what you guys are up to.

>> well, you know, sag-aftra and the nflpa merged together in this wonderful effort to use our reach as influencers for the greater good. and the most imminent first mission was we all agreed, get everybody to vote, because the midterms were imminent. and we thought, what better way to leverage actors and athletes than to influence americans to realize that your voice is your vote. so get out and vote. >> antoine, same question, and where does this figure into, i mentioned it's civic. and yet we have seen sports leagues and many top folks in your league and your field also step up and be more directly political and policy civil rights oriented, whether that's of course a discussion about kneeling, about black lives matter, about all the ways people can lead, even though i

understand this to be an effort to get people to vote in general. your thoughts. >> yeah, you said it, man. it's about using your platform and using your platform the correct way. just speaking out on different topics. obviously, we're here today just talking about getting out and voting. and the nflpa and the players have been doing a great job about that. nfl teams opening up their facilities to help the communities in voting and getting to the polls. and tomorrow, while everybody is getting out to vote, all facilities will be closed to give the nfl players and their families opportunities to go out there and vote. so again, using our platform in the right way. >> great. and fran, i did want to ask you about, you're plenty outspoken. we got this tv doctor running. he's a real doctor, but he's known from tv. snl had a little fun about all this and oprah kind of coming back around on him. you know, oprah is pretty influential in many ways. here's how it played out on snl.

>> just days before the midterm elections, oprah winfrey endorsed john fetterman instead of the monster she unleashed upon us. isn't it crazy that oprah gave dr. oz his career, and even she's turned against him? it's like if robin ran for mayor of gotham and batman was like, i fully endorse penguin. >> fran, do you have any thoughts on the battle of the tv titans, and i'm sure it had to sting a little for dr. oz. her message was basely he was fine for tv, but not for this moment in our democracy. >> i don't think -- yeah, i don't think he was surprised at all. i'm sure that he knows where she's coming from. but you know, when you're dr. frankenstein, sometimes you do create a monster that gets out of control. and for me, you know, personally, and also as a leader of a labor union, i think it's

very important that first of all, we support the administration that's been the most supportive of labor in many decades. and i think that depending on what your personal preference is, for me, you know, i feel like it's really important that it's anybody that thinks that it's okay to legislate a woman's body, denies global warming or voter rights, all of these things are very basic rights in this country. and you know, i'm personally very, you know, concerned about this. now, i'm not telling you how to vote or what to do. get out there and vote and vote your voice. that's just my personal opinion. >> i hear that. i appreciate that. and antoine, i wanted to get your view on sort of the younger generation that's coming up in these times, these huge clashes

in our society. we're talking about whether democracy itself will even hold. i'm just curious, i warn you, i have a minute left. where do you see the optimism or the hope with this younger generation, because on the one hand, there's so much cynicism and fear, really, about our political climate. and then you look at sports and people like you, inspire. you have young people who look up to you, they want to be you. they have that optimism about maybe part of what you do, less so than our own country, our patriotism, which maybe is discouraging. your thoughts on that with 70 seconds. >> like you said, it's about using your voice. and our younger generation, where think they have been doing that in a magnificent way, more so than maybe your generation or my generation. i think what they have been able to do with standing firm on what they believe in, and hopefully that can push us to a place where we can be better democratic as a nation. >> yeah, all makes sense. again, we love what you guys are

doing. we talked about voter participation in general, talked about the labor part, and everybody using their voice. so fran and antoine, i hope you take this show on the road, do your thing, next time in person. thanks for being on "the beat" on election eve. >> thank you so much. thanks for having us. and everybody, get out there and vote. >> there it is. appreciate you both. let me remind folks because it is election eve, we have special coverage tonight. we have who you see on the screen, rachel leading the coverage, kornacki at the big board, we have joy, nicolle, myself. i'll be with them at the 9:00 hour. streaming on peacock. check out the special coverage and keep it locked because "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. whenever heartburn strikes get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. ♪ tum tum tum tum tums ♪ the holidays were lonely for the yeti. but after saving big

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